Curse

knobby · Sep 13, 2009, 03:34 AM // 03:34

I have a question and done a search.
Is this the best way to farm SS?
Go north out of Remains of Sahlaja, get Undead bounty
then kill 5 groups or so untill you get To ritualist boss then kill him.
Then zone and do it over and over.

Or is there a faster way?

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 13, 2009, 03:52 AM // 03:52

Finished SS/LB, got phoenix, probably won't play GW again until next weekend.

Coney · Sep 13, 2009, 08:56 AM // 08:56

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Originally Posted by knobby

I have a question and done a search.
Is this the best way to farm SS?
Go north out of Remains of Sahlaja, get Undead bounty
then kill 5 groups or so untill you get To ritualist boss then kill him.
Then zone and do it over and over.

Or is there a faster way?

South?

Actually, gate of desolation to sulf waste is much faster. Just did a run for >1k sunspear points in 5 minutes /age. Just be careful here, 1 group typically has 1-2 acolytes and 2-3 cavaliers, making it more difficult than from sahlahja...

Martin Alvito · Sep 13, 2009, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Analogy failure.

Burning the money and bad weekend events both destroy utility. Each is inefficient. I simply choose the most obvious and visible example of how inefficient solutions are bad. If you can't see this, then I'm going to feel free to stop taking your posts seriously.

The vast majority of the player base doesn't want another SS/LB weekend three months after the last one. They are both easy titles to max for GWAMM and relatively few of the associated skills are useful. It's not like Cry of Pain is in every character build at the moment, or will be in the future.

Accursed · Sep 13, 2009, 07:22 PM // 19:22

I'll wait until I max SS/LB since I would rather beat Nightfall instead. I'll still do it when I'm bored with the missions though.

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Burning the money and bad weekend events both destroy utility. Each is inefficient. I simply choose the most obvious and visible example of how inefficient solutions are bad. If you can't see this, then I'm going to feel free to stop taking your posts seriously.

The vast majority of the player base doesn't want another SS/LB weekend three months after the last one. They are both easy titles to max for GWAMM and relatively few of the associated skills are useful. It's not like Cry of Pain is in every character build at the moment, or will be in the future.

You're terrible at comparing things.

Martin Alvito · Sep 13, 2009, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Fallen

You're terrible at comparing things.

Are you aware of the context of the original comment? The post I responded to argued that there is no reason to complain about "free" bonuses from weekend events. But just because an event provides "free" stuff doesn't imply that it's the most desirable "free" program.

So I produce a simple example - if I could costlessly give you something you obviously want and don't, I'm destroying value. There's no difference between burning the money rather than giving it to you and the bad weekend event in economic terms. Burning the money is completely ridiculous - that's the point. So is arguing that the bad weekend event is fine. Both are inefficient and wasteful.

There's no difference in ANet's costs when selecting a weekend event; it's all automated now. So if people complain that the event is poor, it's because this is an identically destructive process. They could have given us something that we wanted, but chose not to. The degree of harm inflicted is different, but the process is the same.

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 13, 2009, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

The vast majority of the player base

You do not constitute "the vast majority of the player base."

You constitute "a small, vocal, whiny minority of the player base."

Verene · Sep 13, 2009, 08:35 PM // 20:35

For that matter, GWG does not constitute a majority of the player base and is also a small minority.

My bet would be that the majority of players really don't care either way.

Personally, as I just started a new character a week ago, and have gotten towards the end of NF on my main, this was perfectly timed for me. Sure, can't take advantage of hardmode farming, but I don't care about maxing titles much and at least I'll be making the most of the quests and stuff that I have to do anyway.

Saph · Sep 13, 2009, 09:07 PM // 21:07

The only reason I am even slightly interested in maxing SS/LB is because most of my characters use skills from those title tracks. So I squealed with joy for this double weekend. Now all I need is another double kurz weekend and maybe I'll be able to finally max that crappy title.

Martin Alvito · Sep 13, 2009, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

You do not constitute "the vast majority of the player base."

Hypothesis: Three years after release, nearly everyone that has an interest in maxing the SS or LB title has already done so.

Malla13 · Sep 13, 2009, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Hypothesis: Three years after release, nearly everyone that has an interest in maxing the SS or LB title has already done so.

I can't believe I'm throwing my two cents here, but not everyone has been playing for that long. I've only owned the game for 19 months, and I've only seriously played for the last 7 or so months due to a much-needed computer upgrade finally magically appearing at Christmas. These weekends are a freaking blessing for me as I'm still trying to catch up with my friends.

Verene · Sep 13, 2009, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by Malla13

I can't believe I'm throwing my two cents here, but not everyone has been playing for that long. I've only owned the game for 19 months, and I've only seriously played for the last 7 or so months due to a much-needed computer upgrade finally magically appearing at Christmas. These weekends are a freaking blessing for me as I'm still trying to catch up with my friends.

Seriously, this. Not everyone has been playing the game for years. New people still get into GW. And for those of us who haven't been playing since launch, such weekends can be greatly helpful.

Martin Alvito · Sep 13, 2009, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Malla13

I can't believe I'm throwing my two cents here, but not everyone has been playing for that long. I've only owned the game for 19 months, and I've only seriously played for the last 7 or so months due to a much-needed computer upgrade finally magically appearing at Christmas. These weekends are a freaking blessing for me as I'm still trying to catch up with my friends.

OK, but I admitted the existence of the case in the hypothesis, right? Most =/= all.

The point is that two titles that require a dozen or so hours of gameplay to max (without double points) don't need an event every three or four months. I'd say that the favor overflow bug provides convincing evidence that a ton of players have already knocked out those titles. And it's not as though SS/LB confer huge in-game benefits compelling you to repeatedly max them (unless, perhaps, you are a hardcore DoA farmer).

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 14, 2009, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Hypothesis: Three years after release, nearly everyone that has an interest in maxing the SS or LB title has already done so.

Hypothesis: The many scores of people who came to farm at Remains of Sahlahja over the weekend probably did have an interest in maxing the SS and LB titles.

Martin Alvito · Sep 14, 2009, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Hypothesis: The many scores of people who came to farm at Remains of Sahlahja over the weekend probably did have an interest in maxing the SS and LB titles.

But this is a relative question! Other events clearly drive a lot more activity and are more popular. Compare to all the districts that are created on an HA weekend, or all the districts created (in more than one outpost) on an EotN reputation weekend.

I haven't been on to observe personally, but "many scores" sounds like a reach based on observation from past events.

Again, I'm not saying that no one wanted this event. I'm saying that three months is too soon to repeat this event, that the majority of the population would have been much more excited about most alternatives, and that this is wasteful.

Windf0rce · Sep 14, 2009, 04:07 AM // 04:07

You'd need to check Nightfall activity as a whole to measure popularity of this event.

Not everyone maxes their titles at Remains of Sahlaja... in fact if you have further plans on maxing titles, the optimal thing to do is to actually Vanquish areas for maximum title synergy and minimum time invested.

I myself spent the whole weekend on Nightfall, vanquishing - and maxed both titles, so did a few other friends of mine. Did nothing on other continents.

Martin Alvito · Sep 14, 2009, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by Windf0rce

Not everyone maxes their titles at Remains of Sahlaja... in fact if you have further plans on maxing titles, the optimal thing to do is to actually Vanquish areas for maximum title synergy and minimum time invested.

This is an excellent point. I am skeptical about the number of title hounds remaining that need to both Vanquish Elona and max SS/LB, but you are correct that you cannot directly compare Sahlaja against the usual suspect outposts in EotN.

Aussie Boy · Sep 14, 2009, 06:21 AM // 06:21

Well i have been playing for 4 years and never really bothered to max many of the titles I just always played for fun
but seriousley when you have finished all the campains there ain't much left to do.

So this weekend I did decide to max LB and also start the vanq title grind and sweets/booze/ etc.
I had a blast and went from 5 to max 8 Holy Lightbringer
Vanq 12 areas in Vabbi and the Desolation
made just over 50k in drops opened many HM chests id lots of goldies
also used lots of sweets and booze for fun.
and hit 15 titles for "People know me" finaly.
So thanks anet.

**cosyfiep** · Sep 14, 2009, 06:33 AM // 06:33

I too was happy to see this weekend (playing 4+ years)...as I have multiple characters and had only maxed lb on one---now a 2nd has maxed it and a 3rd is close.
I got bored of the wurms and did vanquishing instead--did 5 areas with my rit, broke every lockpick and got crappy grapes....but I went up to 7 in lb and made enough to buy more lockpicks to replace the ones I broke.
Had other things to do this weekend or I would have maxed lb on my rit.

better weekend than say triple dye drop or triple green (I get plenty of dye without a weekend, and on triple x drops I get NOTHING of whats supposedly been tripled).

lutz · Sep 14, 2009, 09:42 AM // 09:42

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Hypothesis: Three years after release, nearly everyone that has an interest in maxing the SS or LB title has already done so.

I've played since the beta (okay, on and off until mid 2007) and I haven't maxed lightbringer or sunspear until this weekend.